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Kyrial Tidolfas	Posted - 2008.01.07 10:05:00 - [1] i bet 50m isk that this is a scam/
Kyrial Tidolfas	Posted - 2008.01.07 10:36:00 - [2] Originally by: Ricdic Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas i bet 50m isk that this is a scam/ Bold coming from someone else starting a business plan of questionable quantity. TBH it reminds me of Ufl coming into EBANK threads (competition in his eyes) calling EBANK a scam to promote himself. Due to you not providing any quantifiable post to substantiate your claim/bet it does seem like trolling precisely like UFL was doing. Care to clarify? well...since you asked so nicely. A scam has x properties. 1. it asks for a lot of money. 2. it provides no securities. 3. it deals in well explored business: trading, producing, research etc. the op even takes care to have 4 payout period. so people would go "oh look 5% thats not a lot" while at the same time they would go "oh look 8% profits!!!!" i.e. being not too tempting all the while also being profitable. also i think 5b is too much for trading. no way anyone who has done some research would ask for too much money that he has to pay interest. I feel very strongly of the scamness that I will bet 50m of my own money. I am not rich. 50m is a lot for me but I am willing to risk it. I would love to see you take it. Ricdic ,because then i know I will be paid if i win. and if i lose and i dont pay, i am sure you will not just sit on it idly.
Kyrial Tidolfas	Posted - 2008.01.07 10:37:00 - [3] you might notice that my bet is strictly better than the IPO. if the IPO is not a scam you would get less than 50m you would from me. If it is a scam then you lose 50m anyway.
Kyrial Tidolfas	Posted - 2008.01.07 11:01:00 - [4] sigh. 50m up for grab. anyone?
Kyrial Tidolfas	Posted - 2008.01.07 11:10:00 - [5] Originally by: Ricdic See thats the thing. It may very well be a scam, I have no idea. I do know it's vague, just like yours is. It's poorly thought out, just like yours is. It also lacks consistancy just like yours does. I find it comical that you were offering 5% per week on your offering before being told that it was stupidly high. Now that someone else is offering lower than you were you are quick to call scam. Whether it is or isn't is irrelevant. In the end it only looks bad on your own reputation putting baseless comments like the one you did down. Since the beginning of investment times scammers have tried putting down legitimate or competing businesses. Your four points whilst valid aren't definitive or even close too. In my eyes your business is far riskier, in that a 2 month old is asking for at least 1b isk. Using those calculative skills, the OP of this venture is almost 2 years old so therefore should be able to easily raise 45b or so correct? Frankly, putting 5b into a 2 year old is far less risky in my eyes than putting 1b into a 2 month old Having said that, I don't like the look of either offerings and won't invest in them. But your first baseless post here done nothing more than reducing my standing of you personally its impossible to have a definitive proves of a scam. otherwise noone would get scammed. i have a very strong feeling that this is a scam and i want to make money off that. that was all. but then you asked me to explain my point just so you could bash it again. to be honest, there is besically nothing i could have said that would solicit a favourable response from you. my first response was not to state my belief that this is a scam. it was to provide me with an opportunity to profit.
Kyrial Tidolfas	Posted - 2008.01.07 11:15:00 - [6] Originally by: Ricdic 2 month old player giving away money that he has likely raised from his bond offering in other thread. Definetly a sturdy investment opportunity. Sure it's his 'personal' funds, if you believe that... personal attack is not necessary. I think for a person of such credibility in this forum to personally attack me like this is like schoolyard bullying to me. I had a lot of respect for you personally even after you told me you lost yours for me. But then you said I am lying about me using my personal money for this bet. I intend to pay my investors back and you're accusation of me using investors' money for this bet is as baseless as what you tried to make of my original post. so you, sir, are a hypocrite.
Kyrial Tidolfas	Posted - 2008.01.07 13:09:00 - [7] Originally by: Ricdic Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas But then you said I am lying about me using my personal money for this bet. I intend to pay my investors back and you're accusation of me using investors' money for this bet is as baseless as what you tried to make of my original post. so you, sir, are a hypocrite. I am glad to see you got the point There was no personal attack in there at all. If anything this has shown how you feel when someone makes a baseless claim on your operation. You got irritated by it, how do you think the op of this thread felt? i can see clearly now the rain has gone. to op: i am not saying you are a scam. I never even said you are a scam. to everyoneelse: 50m says he's a scam. i am not saying it. 50m is saying it.
Kyrial Tidolfas	Posted - 2008.01.07 14:04:00 - [8] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas the op even takes care to have 4 payout period. so people would go "oh look 5% thats not a lot" while at the same time they would go "oh look 8% profits!!!!" i.e. being not too tempting all the while also being profitable. My bond(Not publicly announced) pays out 5%. And i sold 19bill worth of shares? Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas1 also i think 5b is too much for trading. no way anyone who has done some research would ask for too much money that he has to pay interest. 5bill too much for trading? I actually have 6bill used for trading. And im always short on cash for my orders. I could easily handle 11bill for trading. Should i take the silence from you as that you agree with my points or make, or just ignorance? You have made no point for me to dis/agree.
Kyrial Tidolfas	Posted - 2008.01.08 09:00:00 - [9] oh lol. i hope i didnt contribute to your failure. if i did, im sure ufl can learn from it.
Kyrial Tidolfas	Posted - 2008.01.09 09:26:00 - [10] Originally by: Myrdyr Originally by: LaVista Vista 5bill too much for trading? I actually have 6bill used for trading. And im always short on cash for my orders. I could easily handle 11bill for trading. OP is correct; past 5bil is diminishing returns with respect to time invested for profits rewarded, unless you're dumping way too much into your buy orders due to either too high of quantity or not having Margin Trading trained up. Too bad about him getting crap-posted -- another victim of EBank's ego. i must clear this up. what happened was i made a statement about my mistrust of the OP. . then Ricdic called me a liar. lots of people sided with him for some reason. they thrashed my thread, claimed they lost their interest in me and continued posing on the presumption that I am dead in this forum. if you read through the thread i am sure you will see me as a victim here. an unfortunate victim of the pack mentality, where ricdic is recognised as a "regular" and when he made a unjustified personal attack against me, the other "regualar"'s sided with him immediately. which is quite sad, that people who have shown to be able to prosper dont seem to have an independent thinking mind.
Kyrial Tidolfas	Posted - 2008.01.09 10:46:00 - [11] Originally by: Ricdic Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas i must clear this up. what happened was i made a statement about my mistrust of the OP You basically discredited him without an ounce of information/proof. The likes of which are usually seen by scammers or people who fail to get their own way (Ufl, Vedz, Miss Fiona, General Starscream). In my eyes you acted no better than those people. Discredit someone else to try and increase your chances of success, I don't know. There was no personal attack. If you consider my statement about you a personal attack then why wouldn't the OP consider you calling him a scammer a personal attack? Quote: . . then Ricdic called me a liar. lots of people sided with him for some reason. When did I call you a liar? Quote: if you read through the thread i am sure you will see me as a victim here. an unfortunate victim of the pack mentality, where ricdic is recognised as a "regular" and when he made a unjustified personal attack against me, the other "regualar"'s sided with him immediately. Actually, A lot of the people who posted aren't of the pack mentality. Shadarle and I have been known to clash heads on more than one occasion. He doesn't follow everything I or anyone says. The point you missed, is that your post in a competitors thread showed a different side of you, a side of you that people don't want to invest in. It may have just been a simple post with a bet that he was a scam. However I personally saw it as an attack on a competitor to try and get people to buy into you rather than him. Looks like a fair few others saw it in a similar light. So you need to stop this whole "Woe is me, I'm the victim" drama queen act. In my opinion you brought it on when putting that post out you DID have an alterior motive. I might be wrong, who knows. you called me a liar when you implied that i was not going to use my own money for the bet. i dont see him as a competitor at all. he is asking for 2 bil. i was asking for 10m from as many people as i can get. its a very unfortunate misunderstanding but nonetheless i was getting savaged. i didnt even try to promote my own thread, all i did was present a bet for any willing person to take to potentially make me 50m. and to be honest, judging from the response of the OP to criticism and obstruction known to present themselves when you ask for money. i am now even more sure that he was a scam. raiding other people thread and saying bad things about them is obviously stupid. if i wanted to sabotage his thread, i would be better of with covert, fear raising campaign i.e. present him hard to answer questions and scrutinise his answers. if i wanted to sabotage his thread, yelling scam was not the best thing in the world. though it evidently derailed the thread, it also evidently damaged me. i think your response to my post and your subsequent ridicule damaged me the most. it was unneeded and unnecessary. personally i still couldnt understand your change of direction towards hostility when you were responding to me. but then again, you can never really know people.
Kyrial Tidolfas	Posted - 2008.01.09 13:42:00 - [12] ps. did you think riethe was a scammer when he lauched his IPO??
Kyrial Tidolfas	Posted - 2008.01.09 14:16:00 - [13] sorrey.

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